Cam Gore: Sharks trade talk

Has Couture been picked yet?

Wouldnt a player like Ryan Smyth help a team like the Sharks... he is a player that will go through the wall to win. I think Marleau, Thornton etc would faint to watch him get stitched up on the bench. The guy is tough as nails.

We'll give you Aulie and Connolly for Clowe.

Im hoping in dream land we are able to get Gaustad, Ruutu and Ray Whitney, unlikely but any 2 of those 3 would be wonderful, pull some magic pretty please Wilson

Trade Murray.. no exactly the opposite we need another D like Murray

Demers and Braun are soft
White is too slow who good teams skate around.
Boyle and Vlasic are positional defenders who do not bang.
Burns has not played big.

When Murray was out the Sharks had the worst Defensive stretch of the season

No leaf fans Finger and a pick will not get you Clowe

Nice blog Cam!!!

I'm not sure who DW might be targeting. Boyes, Ruutu, Pahllson...who knows.

I just really hope that DW doesn't give away any high draft picks...our prospect pool is really thin, especially when it comes to forwards. I don't want to see Doherty go either. If Demers were healthy I think he'd be on his way out. I could see Mitchell getting packaged as well, but I don't think we would get much for him. Murray would make sense (not that I want to see him go...but I'd want more than moen for him). Unfortunately, trading Murray means more playing time for White, who has been seriously awful for the most part. Maybe Vandemeer gets more ice time, and he has been pretty good, but he seems a bit fragile.

We have some depth on defense, but I don't know that we have enough to really swing a deal for a quality forward without risking our depth on the blue line.

I would go after Malone out of Tampa, he's gritty and might not cost a ton

Sounds to me like the leafs and sharks are after the same thing this deadline.
That big tough top 6 guy who will take the punishment to dig pucks out of the corners and drive the net. "Truculence" is what Brian Burke calls it.

I don't see a single guy rumored on the market this year that really fits this description.

Cam Gore: Sharks trade talk
- CamGore

Cam I am confused about this comment you made.

One player who comes to mind that would fit the bill for San Jose is Travis Moen. I know he was a Shark in the past but his circumstances are quite different now than his last time around.


???How is it much different? Last time around Moen was an UFA also, was not injured and actually was having a good season. This year he is an UFA, is injured and not playing as well. He actually cost us 2 NHL quality prospects and a draft pick. Now we want to give up another asset for him? Is Travis Moen and Kent Huskins, really worth 3 players and a draft pick?

Nice blog Cam!!!

I'm not sure who DW might be targeting. Boyes, Ruutu, Pahllson...who knows.

I just really hope that DW doesn't give away any high draft picks...our prospect pool is really thin, especially when it comes to forwards. I don't want to see Doherty go either. If Demers were healthy I think he'd be on his way out. I could see Mitchell getting packaged as well, but I don't think we would get much for him. Murray would make sense (not that I want to see him go...but I'd want more than moen for him). Unfortunately, trading Murray means more playing time for White, who has been seriously awful for the most part. Maybe Vandemeer gets more ice time, and he has been pretty good, but he seems a bit fragile.

We have some depth on defense, but I don't know that we have enough to really swing a deal for a quality forward without risking our depth on the blue line.
- ssullivan28

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I agree with this.

I don't want Moen, and I would not trade Murray. I would trade either Demers, or Braun however.

My only untouchables would be Clowe, Pavs, Couture, Murray and maybe Niemi and Vlasic but would depend upon the return for those two.

I would take Ruutu, don't want Boyes, and would give up a Mitchell or a John McCarthy (Very Marginal Prospect type) for Pahlsen

Cam I am confused about this comment you made.

One player who comes to mind that would fit the bill for San Jose is Travis Moen. I know he was a Shark in the past but his circumstances are quite different now than his last time around.


???How is it much different? Last time around Moen was an UFA also, was not injured and actually was having a good season. This year he is an UFA, is injured and not playing as well. He actually cost us 2 NHL quality prospects and a draft pick. Now we want to give up another asset for him? Is Travis Moen and Kent Huskins, really worth 3 players and a draft pick?
- Sharkfan48

Yeah, I agree with you here. I would rather see Havlat out there on crutches than trade for Travis Moen again.

We'll give you Aulie and Connolly for Clowe.
- stevecarpetman

And Keep dreaming leaf boy!

I really don't see anyone being shopped who fits the Sharks' needs exactly. Unless they pick up Malone or Ruutu, anyone they get will surprise me.

Yea I agree. NO Travis Moen. He was useless last time and if I remember correctly he was with the sharks when they got bounced in the 1st round by the ducks....

To be honest I'm not sure who I want, but trading Murray would be a huge mistake. He makes teams think twice before crossing the blueline. I want a power forward on this team I know Clowe is there but I want a guy like Owen Nolan out there can do it all and isnt afraid to shoot the damn puck.

Also, I am not sold on nemo.....He can be good at times, but when he is bad, he is down right awful...He is slow around the net, and gives up those killer softies that hurt a teams momentum, which he has done lately....I'm not saying to trade for a goalie, but I hope DW realizes what he has in Greiss and Stalock and doesn't use either as trade bait...

We'll give you Aulie and Connolly for Clowe.
- stevecarpetman

Two useless pieces of trash for a premier power player

Keep Murray...He's a legitimate Top 4 D and what we'd get back in return is unknown. Plus, VanDerMeer and White are on the back end of their careers and we'll still need toughness. I'd trade Demers before Braun since he is less reliable in his own zone than Braun is.
We need to also be looking towards the future since Marleau and Thornton are only growing older and we have traded away our only 2 legitimate Top 6 forward candidates in Coyle and Bonino. If DW had the ability, I'd package Marleau with pick(s) and ??somehow to NJ for Parise since NJ isn't going to get anyone in return when he leaves as a UFA on July 1. He'd cost the same as Marleau from a salary cap perspective and be younger and would also add some work ethic that is missing from the team.
Moen and Pahlsson would only be marginally better additions and only warrant a 5th or 6th round pick at best. I'd also explore what Tory Mitchell might bring us in return as he has been an inconsistent performer who has wheels but isn't as reliable or strong as a Darren Helm has been. I think DW didn't get back as good as we sent when he sent Sullivan to Florida...

Bad Contract for Bad Contract

Gomez for Havlat straight up

wow.. so much ignorance in this blog of yours .. i wonder how do you live with yourself.
The Sharks need more players like CLowe? what they are not slow enough? Can't you see how some of the top teams dance around the middle of the ice while your Clowe's and Fatbutts waddle in the O-zone?
And I love how you quickly rag on Havlat not realizing his poor contribution has more with the coach than it has with the player.
It's really not Havlat's fault Mcleelloo is forcing a slow game to allow your CLowe's and Fattbutts and Juicys to stay in the play , it's not his fault he was cast into a 3rd line grinder role ( a la Clowe), it's really not his fault that Mcleelloo failed to read his real strengths.
and I really love your playoff references .. an area where Havlat actually excelled in the past .. you'd know that if you actually payed attention.
It seems to me you are not exactly a student of the game .. just another opinionated hack who thinks he knows what he's watching .. even though he doesn't watch much.
Actually knowing how the Sharks org operates I wouldn't be surprised if they thought somewhere along your silly lines.

and thanks .. but I prefer my stick where it is ... safely tucked.

wow.. so much ignorance in this blog of yours .. i wonder how do you live with yourself.
The Sharks need more players like CLowe? what they are not slow enough? Can't you see how some of the top teams dance around the middle of the ice while your Clowe's and Fatbutts waddle in the O-zone?
And I love how you quickly rag on Havlat not realizing his poor contribution has more with the coach than it has with the player.
It's really not Havlat's fault Mcleelloo is forcing a slow game to allow your CLowe's and Fattbutts and Juicys to stay in the play , it's not his fault he was cast into a 3rd line grinder role ( a la Clowe), it's really not his fault that Mcleelloo failed to read his real strengths.
and I really love your playoff references .. an area where Havlat actually excelled in the past .. you'd know that if you actually payed attention.
It seems to me you are not exactly a student of the game .. just another opinionated hack who thinks he knows what he's watching .. even though he doesn't watch much.
Actually knowing how the Sharks org operates I wouldn't be surprised if they thought somewhere along your silly lines.

and thanks .. but I prefer my stick where it is ... safely tucked.
- sharksman

Selanne for that slug Clowe.

Keep Murray...He's a legitimate Top 4 D and what we'd get back in return is unknown. Plus, VanDerMeer and White are on the back end of their careers and we'll still need toughness. I'd trade Demers before Braun since he is less reliable in his own zone than Braun is.
We need to also be looking towards the future since Marleau and Thornton are only growing older and we have traded away our only 2 legitimate Top 6 forward candidates in Coyle and Bonino. If DW had the ability, I'd package Marleau with pick(s) and ??somehow to NJ for Parise since NJ isn't going to get anyone in return when he leaves as a UFA on July 1. He'd cost the same as Marleau from a salary cap perspective and be younger and would also add some work ethic that is missing from the team.
Moen and Pahlsson would only be marginally better additions and only warrant a 5th or 6th round pick at best. I'd also explore what Tory Mitchell might bring us in return as he has been an inconsistent performer who has wheels but isn't as reliable or strong as a Darren Helm has been. I think DW didn't get back as good as we sent when he sent Sullivan to Florida...
- hockeygm

Good comments, it is funny that Cam is using the old Doug Wilson "we need more grit" line. No we have grit on the 3rd and 4th lines, what we need is more grit and toughness on the top 2 lines, and more scoring on the bottom 2 lines.

wow.. so much ignorance in this blog of yours .. i wonder how do you live with yourself.
The Sharks need more players like CLowe? what they are not slow enough? Can't you see how some of the top teams dance around the middle of the ice while your Clowe's and Fatbutts waddle in the O-zone?
And I love how you quickly rag on Havlat not realizing his poor contribution has more with the coach than it has with the player.
It's really not Havlat's fault Mcleelloo is forcing a slow game to allow your CLowe's and Fattbutts and Juicys to stay in the play , it's not his fault he was cast into a 3rd line grinder role ( a la Clowe), it's really not his fault that Mcleelloo failed to read his real strengths.
and I really love your playoff references .. an area where Havlat actually excelled in the past .. you'd know that if you actually payed attention.
It seems to me you are not exactly a student of the game .. just another opinionated hack who thinks he knows what he's watching .. even though he doesn't watch much.
Actually knowing how the Sharks org operates I wouldn't be surprised if they thought somewhere along your silly lines.

and thanks .. but I prefer my stick where it is ... safely tucked.
- sharksman

I always find it amazing how someone can claim that Havlat excelled in the playoffs in the past. Don't you think that in order for a player to succeed he has to be put in position to succeed. If you put Havlat on a line with Handzus and Mitchell he is not going to succeed regardless of how good one thinks his ability is. Did he succeed in Chicago in the playoffs. YES now tell me who his linemates were? Because one player cannot succeed when the other two don't contribute to that line. Put Havlat on a line with Thornton and Clowe do you think he would succeed?

And really you can look at last years playoffs where the Sharks 10th All time leading Power Play goal scorer, and a guy who had the 3rd highest PPG totals in one season in team history was put on a 2nd power play unit with a bunch of non-scorers. Do you think that worked?

Plus you can go back in Havlat playoff history and find success and failure. A lot of it depends upon the opponent, your line mates and more.

I always find it amazing how someone can claim that Havlat excelled in the playoffs in the past. Don't you think that in order for a player to succeed he has to be put in position to succeed. If you put Havlat on a line with Handzus and Mitchell he is not going to succeed regardless of how good one thinks his ability is. Did he succeed in Chicago in the playoffs. YES now tell me who his linemates were? Because one player cannot succeed when the other two don't contribute to that line. Put Havlat on a line with Thornton and Clowe do you think he would succeed?

And really you can look at last years playoffs where the Sharks 10th All time leading Power Play goal scorer, and a guy who had the 3rd highest PPG totals in one season in team history was put on a 2nd power play unit with a bunch of non-scorers. Do you think that worked?

Plus you can go back in Havlat playoff history and find success and failure. A lot of it depends upon the opponent, your line mates and more.
- Sharkfan48

Umm how many Havlat playoff games have you seen? Cause I've probably seen them all ... simply because I watch all playoff games of all teams. He was always a reliable two way explosive, creative guy even in his early years with Ottawa whne he was a bit wild, and it showed a lot when it mattered.
Problem is, McLeelo's system is not tailored for players like Havlat and coach also chokes his creativity with board play at the speed of a drunken snail.
BTW, success doesn't necessarily mean putting up a lot of points but if that's what you understand by it then look at his numbers in the post lockout.
You do have a lot of by the book speach that doesn't say anything
BTW .. Havlat is NOT a 3rd liner no matter how much Mcleeloo is trying to turn him into one to protect the feeweings of the Clowe pylon

Umm how many Havlat playoff games have you seen? Cause I've probably seen them all ... simply because I watch all playoff games of all teams. He was always a reliable two way explosive, creative guy even in his early years with Ottawa whne he was a bit wild, and it showed a lot when it mattered.
Problem is, McLeelo's system is not tailored for players like Havlat and coach also chokes his creativity with board play at the speed of a drunken snail.
BTW, success doesn't necessarily mean putting up a lot of points but if that's what you understand by it then look at his numbers in the post lockout.
You do have a lot of by the book speach that doesn't say anything
BTW .. Havlat is NOT a 3rd liner no matter how much Mcleeloo is trying to turn him into one to protect the feeweings of the Clowe pylon
- sharksman

Oh I don't disagree at all. In fact I think we are in agreement. I understand that Havlat is not a 3rd liner, just like Heatley is not a second liner, and Ferrerio a top liner.

As for the playoff games I have seen of his probably all of them too.

Wouldnt a player like Ryan Smyth help a team like the Sharks... he is a player that will go through the wall to win. I think Marleau, Thornton etc would faint to watch him get stitched up on the bench. The guy is tough as nails.
- maxen1

I like the sound of this. I bet we would have to give up a roster player, prospect and a pick for him but I think he would be pumped to play with the Sharks.